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I am still always rather hungry, but:

  • I have forgotten how much I love corn on the cob -- I had two ears tonight!

  • Olive oil and garlic blended in a blender makes for a pretty good spaghetti sauce


    • although, three cloves of garlic for three tablespoons of olive oil was a bit much on the garlic.

    • no, really!


  • I think I have ingested enough water to make a small lake

  • I am very very tired, so I am going to bed

  • and while I am asleep, I will probably continue to have odd dreams


    • Is this a product of all the fruits and veggies?


  • When will I be able to walk by the cafeteria or some other place where they serve Real Food and not force myself to walk on by?

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ntnrmlgirl From: ntnrmlgirl Date: February 26th, 2002 09:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
Don't forget, the shakes are super filling!!
Did you eat pasta? Don't give up yet...do you know
how proud of yourself you will be once you accomplish
this!?!?!

Also, I recommend doing a google search of "cleansing
reactions"...you might have slight ones (such as headache
or fatigue) if you are very toxic (i.e, drink coffee, alcohol,
eat meat, etc.)

Stick with it, girlfriend! You'll thank yourself later!! :)
From: gorski Date: February 26th, 2002 11:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
Caffeine will definitely produce withdrawal symptoms if you go cold turkey on that... been there. I've heard as a rule of thumb that cutting down by about a half a cup of coffee's worth per day is the way to avoid that.

Not sure about what'd produce headaches when giving up ethanol.

Since when is meat toxic though?

--me
maigrey From: maigrey Date: February 27th, 2002 05:42 am (UTC) (Link)

I was never much of a caffeine addict anyway...

So I think I had maybe a day of headaches when I cut it out entirely.

And meat isn't toxic per se, but it doesn't have the mass of alkalinity I need to clean everything out. This is only until easter (yay, lent), and then I will be back to having some pasta and meat and all that fun stuff. :)
ntnrmlgirl From: ntnrmlgirl Date: February 28th, 2002 10:25 am (UTC) (Link)

Re:

Well, I guess I wouldn't call it "toxic" in the typical sense of the word (i.e, it's not poison that will kill you right off the bat!), but it can have toxic effects on the body. And that's not even taking into account all of the hormones and disease that meat can contain. here is an excerpt from an article I read. There are several others out there, do a search for "acid-forming". :)

Differences Between Flesh and Plant Foods

Flesh Foods

Essentially protein and saturated fat.
Highly acid-forming in the body.
Contain no fibre, hence long transit time in bowel and putrefaction.
Contain cholesterol and cause it to be made in the body.
Cause excessive uric acid to form in the body (can result in gout).
High on food chain, so high in pollutants (eg. mercury in tuna).
May be contaminated with hormones, antibiotics and vaccines.
Contain the toxic wastes normally present in animal tissues.
Begin to decompose as soon as animal dies.
Encourage unhealthy putrefactive bacteria in our intestines.


Plant Foods

Essentially protein, carbohydrate and unsaturated fat.
Fruit and vegetables are alkali-forming in the body.
Contain abundant fibre, so short transit time and good regularity.
Contain no cholesterol.
Cause much less uric acid to form,
All at bottom of food chain, so lower pesticide residues.
Free of antibiotics and vaccines.
Don't putrefy.
Encourage the vital `friendly' gut bacteria (which digest fibre, manufacture vitamin B12 and so on).

From: gorski Date: February 28th, 2002 12:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
hmm...

I'm not sure there's evidence that antibiotics are still present in meat from animals treated routinely with antibiotics; as I understand it, the concern is more of an issue of pathology--some pathogens in the treated animal may develop a resistance to the antibiotic used, and in the slight chance that these pathogens make it all the way to your dinner table, it's harder to treat you because of that resistance. (Normally though it's more an issue of these pathogens being released into the environment...)

I'm not sure what the significance of "acid-forming" foods is. I mean, clearly if you take in enough of something which metabolizes to lower the pH of your bloodstream, it'll screw with you badly... but the same is true for something with sufficiently basic metabolic byproducts which'd raise the pH. But then again, wouldn't something with a measurably strong acid content like vinegar or orange juice have more of an effect than something like meat? Or wouldn't something basic like coffee or tea or chocolate have just as much of an effect, raising your internal pH? Or for that matter, why would it have that strong an immediate effect anyways, after passing through gastric juices with a pH of less than 1?

What "toxic wastes" are normally present in animal tissues?

I wouldn't argue that a diet of all meat is healthy, but I would argue that a healthy diet will typically include some meat and some vegetable matter. Fact is, we need some amount of protein and some amount of fat in our diets. Most Americans need to cut down on fat and junk-food, to be sure--but eliminating meat altogether is not necessarily the answer. (Matter of fact, buildup of body fat generally results from excess caloric intake, not from eating fat... if your body gets the fat it needs in your diet, it doesn't need to produce its own... ) Perhaps cutting it out for a short time is acceptable, but I figure it's probably better for a person to eat meat in smaller portions than to eliminate it for a while and then gorge on it later. It's useful and healthy--and I'd therefore be more than a little reluctant to call it "toxic".

Again, food for thought--if you'll forgive the pun. ;)

peace,

--me
ntnrmlgirl From: ntnrmlgirl Date: February 28th, 2002 12:50 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re:

I totally agree with 98% of your last paragraph (just not the first sentence)...American's eat like CRAP and are obese in general because of it, not to mention the rampant diseases out there (cancers, heart disease, etc). I choose to get my protein from alternate sources, such as soy, and get my fat from avacados and such. I haven't eaten beef or pork in years. I dabble once in a GREAT while in poultry or seafood, but only at a restaurant...my reasons behind being veggie start with ethical ones (and dammit I hate being hypocritical about the birds!), and the health benefits are a bonus. So, I don't have the tendency, and problem, of a yo-yo syndrome eating none, then lots, of meat.

Also, in reply (or lack of reply) to your questions about acid-forming...I don't know enough about it from varied sources to debate the issue. What I have read, and talked to my Naturopath about, is that acidic foods do not necessarily equal acid-forming. pH is definitely key...what I CAN attest to, is that my body feels 100% better when I am on the cleanse. Ok, maybe 75%....but lots better.

I hope to get time to look for more articles about the topic, and find some from various sources, but until school is out, that probably won't happen.

PS...I wrote a paper a couple quarters ago on the meat industry, but alas, didn't memorize the stats. I'll have to dredge that thing up, and if there's anything of interest (or at least anything pertaining to this topic) I'll fwd to you. :)

maigrey From: maigrey Date: February 27th, 2002 05:40 am (UTC) (Link)

Nope, no pasta. :)

I had spaghetti squash, when cooked and scooped out with a fork is very very similar to spaghetti. It's something I liked before the forced veggie brigade march. :)

And I'll do the search, thanks!
ntnrmlgirl From: ntnrmlgirl Date: February 27th, 2002 07:20 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Nope, no pasta. :)

i haven't tried that...I'll have to give it a go!
maigrey From: maigrey Date: February 27th, 2002 02:06 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Nope, no pasta. :)

Oooh, it is so good, and so easy to cook! Just nuke in the microwave :)
ntnrmlgirl From: ntnrmlgirl Date: February 27th, 2002 09:27 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Nope, no pasta. :)

even I can do that!!!
maigrey From: maigrey Date: February 28th, 2002 08:09 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Nope, no pasta. :)

Exactly!

Here's what I do:
* nuke squash for 2 minutes to make it easier to cook
* put half in a pan with 1/4 c water
* nuke for 7 min
* open the door and let it sit for a bit, it's going to be HOT
* using oven mitt, hold squash, and use spoon to scrape out seed goo
* take fork, and scrape the squash part into spaghetti like strands
* in blender, put 1 (not 3) cloves chopped garlic, some olive oil (3 tbs or so?) and blend. I added some sliced mushrooms to last night's sauce and it was good.

I'm not quite used to having so much oil at once, though.
ntnrmlgirl From: ntnrmlgirl Date: February 28th, 2002 10:28 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Nope, no pasta. :)

Yum! thanks for the tip!! :)
From: gorski Date: February 26th, 2002 11:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
Screwing with your body chemistry will always produce weird dreams and weird reactions, I'm sure. If they're too bad, it might be time to lighten up on the change... but otherwise I wouldn't worry about it. Hope the tiredness correlates to something else you've been doing and not just to the change in diet, though.

If you roast the garlic first, it won't be quite so overpowering (though 3 cloves to 3 Tbsp is probably still a little much). A little basil in the mix would probably be very good as well... I don't remember the details of what you're trying to do; should I assume that putting some parmesan cheese in with it would be forbidden?

Or, you could continue with the fresh vegetables trend and sautée a bit of onion, bell pepper, and maybe some mushrooms in the olive oil and serve it over the spaghetti with some plain tomato sauce (not the heavy flavored corn-syrup-and-cheese Prego-type stuff, just plain tomato sauce in a can) for a good pasta cacciatore. Filling, but reasonably healthy anyways :)

Errr... not force yourself to walk on by?

--me


Roast garlic. Yummy.
maigrey From: maigrey Date: February 27th, 2002 05:44 am (UTC) (Link)

Yes, no cheese :(

For 4 weeks. Consider it me giving it up for lent :)

And the olive oil recipe sounds good. I'm going to have to stock up on spaghetti squash!

Thanks for the tips, sweetie!
snidegrrl From: snidegrrl Date: February 26th, 2002 11:28 pm (UTC) (Link)

2 things

1. You mean NOT ENOUGH garlic!!!!
2. Please tell me it was fresh and not roasted!

I heart garlic.
maigrey From: maigrey Date: February 27th, 2002 05:45 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: 2 things

1. No, no, it was more than enough for me! I couldn't finish the dinner. But it was good, just a bit much.

2. Yes, definitely fresh!
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